[Etude Project] Online Discussion II
Progress Report About
Online Session
18th, June, 2016

[QA Ring: Etude Project] Online Discussion II: Progress Report About

In this meeting, we had three main things to discuss.

First, we discussed about the application for Philip Glass.

What kinds of material can we provide for Philip?

When can we send the prototype for him?

And, how is he going to compose music via this application?

Second, we talked about the design of application for burned patients.

What kind of melody should we use?

When can we start testing the prototype?

Last, we discussed about the presentation in November, in which forum, schedule and presentation style.

Main Due Dates

End of August: Kinect application prototype (1-3 programs ready) for burned patients to test out

September: Kinetic application prototype (all 5 programs ready) for burned patients to test out, contact artists to perform

October: Finalize and prepare for the presentation

11/9-11/11: Set up presentation stage and exhibition, rehearsal for performance

11/12: Presentation

November to December: Design application for Philip Glass, by the end of December, have the application ready for Philip to play with

Meeting Notes

0:00 – 1:30 Short introduction to all of us

1:30 –  46:00 Application for Philip Glass


  • Derjk had a meeting with Philip Glass. Philip has agreed to try out Aluan’s application.
  • We might have a chance to perform in Philip’s music festival next year.
  • Philip Glass’s new released album “Etude” has similar ideas as Aluan’s.
  • Aluan/Frank:
  • We would like to design an application
  • that users can use the mouse as an instrument,
  • and the application can record and replay the music piece
  • that was played by the user. (4:30)
  • Derjk: Can the application work as a tool, so the music can be repeated and recorded? Can the music be piece by piece and form into a whole piece? (5:30)
  • Frank: We designed the application can record for about 30 minutes. The program will be able to play back what the user (Philip Glass) has created. (5:30)
  • Ali: What’s the implementation of this? What is the interface? What is the design for the interface? How are the tones going to be generated? (7:00)
  • (10:00) Introduction of the design: the center point of the circle is the main pitch. Once you draw a line through this circle, this line will produce a pitch that is related to the center point. The center point is the base. Every line will produce a pitch depending on how it is positioning according to where the line is.
  • (11:33) Ali: How does the line generate the sound itself?
  • The pitch sound produces depend on the length of the line. The sound generated from a sine waves oscillator, simple pitch generator. (12:40)
  • (13:07) Derjk: Can the sound be like an instrument, such as a piano sound?
  • (13:30) Frank: any kind of sound will be possible to generate.
  • (13:38) Derjk: Since it is a one time job for Philip, can the application generate different kind of sound, so he can actually create a real music with the application? (14:11) Ali: Can you put a sound synthesizer as the audio interface?
  • (14:23) Frank: It takes time to make this kind of program. The application can only be run by mac/ apple computer. This will be the only difficulty. Philip Glass will need to have a mac for him to use.
  • (17:00) Derjk: suggested Aluan to listen to Philip Glass’s music more, so we will be more certain that Philip will use this application to create music.
  • Maybe Aluan can recreate one of Philip’s piece
  • (17:30) When can we send the app for Philip? End of August.
  • (18:10) Provide Philip an application guideline and what’s the idea behind this app
  • (18:40) Jonathan: Is it possible for the program to recreate a piece of music?
  • Aluan: It’s not possible to recreate in this short term of time
  • To recreate a piece of music using this app, will be a different and difficult job to achieve.
  • This program is more similar to a violin, since it is lines interacting and producing the sounds. It will be easier to simulate violin than piano. It will be hard to produce harmony with this program. It will be a lot better to ask Philip Glass using this app to create something new but not recreate his piece. (20:00)
  • This program shouldn’t be duplicating what has existed. This program will be more related to string instrument. (21:15) It will be hard to get the pitch and harmony together.
  • (22:30) Ali: recompose and decompose – we will want to map Philip Glass’s music, so he can be more willing to remix or recompose with this program.
  • (23:20) Derjk: the main purpose of this app will be for Philip Glass to use it to create any music he likes.
  • (23:25) Ali: if you can import the pitch or harmonics of Philip Glass’s music into the app, with the loops and progression. I think you can be on the right track. Make the app be like in the same musical space as Philip Glass’s. Maybe you can take Philip’s music and isolate individual notes. We would want to use Philip Glass’s scales and tones.
  • (25:12) the analysis of Philip’s music will be hard for us to achieve due to the limitation of time.
  • (26:20) Derjk: I wish to bring Aluan’s work to an international level.
  • (26:55) Ali: Philip Glass compose a music, and we decompose it to the application. We analyze and put the elements to the app.
  • (28:00) the app should sound like what Philip Glass will like. Get the sound he likes into the application
  • (29:00) recreate/ break down a piece of Philip Glass’s music, or we re-edit/ decompose his music into this application.
  • (29:40) this will be in two different directions. One is decompose his music into this app; the other will be asking him to use the app to create a piece of music.
  • (31:10) Ali: there will be a risk that Philip might not like these pitches from the app, since these sounds are not very aesthetic. The pitches it created are not very musical but pure. That’s why I am thinking analyzing his music to generate something he will like, so he will have a higher chance to compose.
  • (34:30) They can incorporate some harmony or tri-cord to the app. Also, we will have to treat this app as a new instrument. It requires trial and error to learn this program.
  • (35:47) We will include tutorial/guideline for Philip to learn about this program.
  • (36:27) Derjk: Maybe this piece of music will just be an improvisation from Philip. Through his trial and error, he might already find something he likes.
  • Aluan will design a program that Philip can record what he makes.
  • Aluan can also import Philip preferred harmony if someone can tell or analyze for him.
  • We will need time to analyze his music. (40:00)
  • (40:50) it takes months to analyze all the patterns, cords, and harmonics.
  • (41:20) Frank: We can certainly import harmony and allow him to record through the app.
  • (42:26) Ali: Just make it to something Philip will like or familiar with.
  • (44:44) Aluan thinks it is better if we create minor or major cord using one single line, so Philip can choose which line to use as in minor or major cord. He can compose the piece himself, instead of set within his preference.


46:00 – 1:15:00 Application for burn patients

  • One concern from the ministry of culture: if normal people can use it, how can we prove this application be helpful to burned patients?
  • (47:20) if these exercises can be applicable to normal people, then we implicate that this will also help burn patients. We can only assume this will be beneficial to burn patients.
  • We will have a physical therapist to make sure what Aluan designs will be beneficial to burn patients.
  • We should consider designing the application as a game. Thus, the patients can play it level by level. For example, level 1 will be some easy movements. Then for level 2, they will need to move higher. As they are more flexible or repeat more times, their level in the games will be upgraded. This will be our indication for how they are doing better.
  • (50:00) We used three kinds of music to test on normal subjects. All music are considered relaxing music. Thus, when they are “playing the game”, they will be in a relaxed mood. These music will be a reference for Aluan to design his music.
  • (50:20) This app for burn patients, Aluan will pick 5 programs from his work “Etude 30” design. He will put the work into Kinect, use this program to create some movements with the music.
  • (51:09) Aluan: We have a new ideas about incorporating LED lights. We would like to try to use a new LED installation to express their movements. The LED metrics can express their movements. The application does not need to be operated through computer, but just body and lights. The musicians on stage can use his/her body and action to create sounds. For example, when he opens his arm, the lights will light up as he moves. When he stretches to his extreme point, the sound will come out. His/her body will be like the instrument, not via computer.
  • (54:26) the camera in the front will catch the user/musician’s movements. The sound will change depending on the movement. For example, if he’s making a circular movement with his arms, the sound will then be like a drum. And, if he opens his arms, the sound will be like a violin. The lighting will light up with his movements as well.
  • You use your body to make different instruments/ sounds.
  • The LED lighting will help make the performance become more beautiful, and like an emphasizer/reflex for his movements.
  • (58:30) When can this application be ready?
  • Aluan: We might need to postpone Philip Glass’ s project until the end of December, since the project for burn patients will be our priority. I can make the first installation ready by the beginning of August. By September, I can try to get three installation ready for patients to test out.
  • The lighting installation can only support one person at a time, yet the Kinect and music can be played by multiple people.
  • Aluan should use Philip glass’s music as a reference on the design.
  • (1:07:00) We will only be able to analyze whether the end results are beneficial to the patients is to have them fill out a feedback form due to medical policies in Taiwan.
  • If the project extends in the future, we will try to apply for the official procedure
  • This program could beneficial to anyone, like old people, ptsd patients, etc.


1:16:00 – 1:44:25 Presentation in November

  • November: live performance
  • We will all work on the presentation during October
  • (1:16:42) Naiping: the venue will be an open space on the 3rd floor of a train station.
  • We will need to provide a stage if we want one.
  • Audience seating will be provided (400 capacity without seats)
  • The plan is to have the device available to the audience when they enter the area, before the performance.
  • After people settle in, we will move the device on stage for the performer to use, this way the audience knows how the system works and feel more engaged in the performance
  • The performer will be selected based on the results of the experiment (type of music)
  • The performer will also incorporate the system into their own music to make it more lively
  • Length of the performance will be around 40 minutes
  • (1:33:20) no DJ, the performance style will be more relaxed and sentimental
  • Naiping has a list of people to contact for stage design and equipment.
  • We will meet with aluan and discuss experimental results in order to move forward for the design.

Artist & Mentor
Aluan Wang
Digital Artist/ Performancer
Frank Lin
Digital Artist Assistant/ Performancer
Ali Hossaini
Mentor of Étude
Derjk Wu
Project Director
Bella Lee
Experiment Executors
Jonathan Wu
Experiment Executors
Weslee Chuang
Project Manager

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